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  The Watchtower leaders are afraid of our elephants

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  in the 1960's, when i was most active as a jehovah's witness, it was a different, more relaxed religion.

  we were filled with confidence about our "truth" because we were skilled in rebuttal, overcoming objections, and we encouraged tough questions to test our mettle in the door to door work.. when an anti-dub book like "30 years a watchtower slave" was released, we all couldn't wait to read it and comment about it.it was seen as a pathetic effort at spite--never as a serious threat to our confidence in what we had.. so--what was different about the jw religion and our skillset back then from the watchtower world of paranoia and enforced loyalty today?i think i know.. we were like boxer george foreman before ali knocked him out.

  we were mike tyson before buster douglas introduced his face to the canvas in that ring in japan.we were bullet proof.. not until you have a bone-shaking reckoning do you lose confidence and wonder, "wtf just happened?

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  Great post, T!
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  This is Why I Will Keep Explaining Evolution to ex-JWs

  by cofty in

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  Verily, you are doing God's work. Keep it up!
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  Dodgy poetry

  by Gargamel in

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  it is a stretch to call my dodgy poetry 'entertainment' but i wasn't sure where else to put it.. .

  self-fulfilling prophecy.

  precipitation.

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  Roses are red,

  After reading your poetry my eardrums burst

  alas, I can still read.

  The pain, the pain, the pain!
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  I've been found out!

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  well, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.

  someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.

  i just feel sad for my daughter.

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  Nathan Natas

  I just read your first post.

  Are you serious? You did everything except give us your real name!

  Your poor "strategery" is the reason you were found out. Take personal responsibility for your misteaks.

  (Yes, that was intentional. DUH.)
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  Disfellowshipped ex-wife Dies - Now What?

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was a shock despite us being divorced for over 40 years.

  my son from that marriage phoned me with the news of sandra's death a couple of days ago, followed by my daughter.. sandra was one of 5 siblings.

  the other 4 are still jw's.

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  I offer my condolences.
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  1930s Vertical Phonograph for Bethelites and Pioneers- of passing interest.

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought this might be of passing interest to a few members.

  we were unpacking some estate items from a 1930s bethelite and were confounded by his vertical phonograph.

  lots of old rutherford books, and some trashed rutherford records, but the phonograph was something to behold.

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  Some recordings are archived here: http://www.freeminds.org/wav/wav.htm
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  Why Are You Here?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
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  i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

  as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

  as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

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  I am here to serve you.

  Would you like some atheism with that?

  "When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? - THE WATCHTOWER January 15,1974"
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  Why do people need religion in this century?

  by sweetgrass in

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  i think people need religion because of fear.

  fear of death and what will happen at death if they have been good or bad.

  people say it gives them hope but is this not born too out of fear of not seeing dead loved ones again, or having a better life in the afterlife?

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  Religion has been described as "the opium of the masses." What does that mean?

  Life is filled with pain; physical pain, emotional pain, and "phantom" pain caused by defects in our nervous system.

  Opium is a pain killer.

  "Metaphysical opium" (religion) soothes the existential ache and help us sleep at night without worrying about all the threats challenging us.

  It is difficult and unrewarding to face the reality of existence. "Happily ever after" does not last. Everything ends eventually. We are star-stuff, contemplating the irony of our being.
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  Fact : 1 We live in the 21st Century Fact : 2 Why do we tolerate Religions of yesteryear that dominate ,interfere with our progress

  by smiddy in

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  why in this 21st century are we still cow towing to religions that are based in the distant past, of thousands of years ago , whether it be christian islam or whatever.?

  and not to restrict it to just those two , but all ancient religions.. all of them are hypocritical , on the one hand rejecting modern day society and it`s technology and on the other hand embracing it for their own advantage .. when is the human race ever going to rid itself of pie in the sky beliefs.?.

  smiddy.

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  Your question might be alternatively phrased as, "We live in the 21st century; why do we still have six-year-olds?"

  We are not all the same age, chronologically or experientially. It is not reasonable to expect OTHER PEOPLE to respond to things the same way YOU do.

  Imagine that there is someone else - Carl Sagan, for example - who came to the same conclusion you did, but arrived there 20 years ahead of you. Are you willing to hoist yourself up for mockery because you failed to keep up with Carl Sagan? Of course not. So why should anyone else be hoisted because they failed to arrive at this destination at the same time you did?

  Let the six-year-olds have their Santa Claus, their Easter Bunny, their risen Christ, their Buddha, their Shiva, Kali and Vishnu, even their Allah, as long as they're not killing all the other kids in the sandbox in his name.

  "Allah-hu FUBAR!"

  So, to answer your question, "When is the human race ever going to rid itself of pie in the sky beliefs?"

  Not for a very long time, possibly never. Our Monkey brains came from the "half-price" counter at Radio Shack; there is only so much we can ask of them.
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  My son is not sure about what he has been taught about the common ancestor

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this week my son expressed he is agnostic as he is not sure what to believe about evolution and the common ancestor.. i thought any jw hang ups were gone.

  i told him that what they teach in school is trustworthy and he can be rest assured that there is evidence to support that the common ancestor was the real link to the evolution of humans.. he has got critical thinking skills.

  and responded with "for hundreds of years schools have been teaching things and have changed their thoughts".

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  KateWild said, "My point about the amoeba is that it's in cofty's thread which I don't understand which is not high school biology."

  You're right Kate, that is not High School Biology - it is JUNIOR High School (now called "Middle School" in the USA) Biology - or it was when I went to Junior High School in 1964. By the way, Gene Simmons of KISS attended the same school!

  Where is this backwards High School you complain about? I strongly suspect that it is either not within the borders of the USA or it is an American school that has been lobotomized by political correctness and new-age junk science.